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PostSubject: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:35 am

this is just my veiw so please add or tell me im wrong. lol

the job of the minstrel is to keep there fellowship going for as long as possable and then the rest of the raid.

the skills that you will use the most are Bolster Courage, 1 Target heal and Inspire Fellows, fellowship heal. Both of these have a 5sec induction if you have the class trait that quickens your induction time equipped.

Chord of Salvation is a nice one for a quick pick me up, its virtually instantainious but has 30 sec cooldown and doesnt give back a lot of morale. I use it when i see someone close to death to give me time to use bolster courage on them.

Song of Distraction is great for keeping the mobs you dont want to pull away from the raid, if it works, some mobs will resist it so if they all start running at us its because of that. there is a 2 min 30 sec cooldown on song of distraction.

Obviously we have our ressing skills, enlivening grace is out of combat with no cooldown on it but as soon as we are hit by anything we are back in combat and it is interupted. Rally we can use in combat but the cooldown is 20 mins. I try to save my rally for other minstrels to get them up as quick as possible or the rat.

All of the above mentioned skills you have to stand still for, which makes minstrels easy prey for warg packs and charging creeps. Having spoken to a few people and reading some stuff on here i think minstrels need to think more about there positioning when healing. I try to stay as close to melee or rat as possable i seem to find myself in their group a lot, standing in one place for any length of time is asking to be attacked but i guess we have to figure out where the best place for us to stand is. Also we cant stop in the middle of a heal to run after you we have to wait to finish so if you say run to ec and then your minstrels are still standing there it is not cuz we cant keep up but because we are getting in as many heals as we can.

Offensive skills, yes i said it offfensive skills, our tiered ballads help our fellowship hit the targets and deal more damage going up to my favourite for moors which is our only AoE skill. Cant remember what its called right now but if its not on cool down and my fellowships morale is good then i will try to play them. i have also found that there is time between teirs to get a bolster courage in on someone if they need it. Also you can move when playing the ballads so its good to move and play one hold for the heal then move and play next tier.

If you are being attacked peircing cry is a good skill to have especially if you have the trait slotted that gives you a better chance to crit and a stun when you do. Again you can move and perform this skill.

War speach, heres the controversy, ok i have never used war speach in the moors and i dont think i ever will, i believe that my job in the raid is to heal and a little bit of buffing. If the raid is counting on me to heal them i am counting on them to protect me. Having said that i can understand why some minstrels feel the need to protect themselves and use it.


Well i think thats it please feel free to add anything or ask anything and i will try to answer for you.

Thanks Lanthiriel
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:31 am

A lot of interesting tips lanth! I'll just add a couple myself:

Use fear whenever you can! Be it on warleaders or defilers not being targeted by the rat, or on a black arrow pinching you, just use it, it's very useful.
Also i think is useful in the moors to equip 2 traits, the one that improve our ress in combat reducing its casting time and its cooldown, and the other one that give Anthem of The valar a huge in-combat morale regen buff.
Also do not forget to have always with you at least a full stack of fear pots, because being silenced by warg and having nothing to cure you can make a raid wipe!
More tips will follow as they'll come to my mind.

P.S.: about warspeech: I use it at times, mostly when we move, or go warg-hunting and when we chase creeps after taking a keep. Never use it during a keep defense/attack unless there are a huge number of minstrels in the raid (like 5-6 minstrels in healing mode and a couple on warspeech)
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:42 am

About war-speech : DO start a fight in war-speech so you're able to use your instant damaging 3-targets AOEs and then you can drop it when you need to heal. Dropping it is instant and can be performed during the induction time of a heal : cast the heal then deactivate war-speech before the heal land, you will reactivate war-speech when in between two encounters.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:28 am

Yes you can drop war speach instantly and yes i understand what your saying about it but for those of us who are a bit forgetfull ( i.e. me) its easier for me to have war speach off. Plus im still working out all my quick slot keys ect, im kinda slow and thick when it comes to this. Also something i have noticed in minstrels in my kin as well as when questing is that as soon as they have war speach on they think they are a dps class and can tank the rog. I know that most the minstrels in moors are not like this but new players to the moors need to realise the limitations of their class as well as the benefits. War speach is always going to be a controversy for me personally i wont use it in moors and i rarely use it in fellowships i just dont see the need for my little bit of extra damage when i could be buffing or healing.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:57 am

It is perhaps worth mentioning that when defending a creep it is fairly easy to run backwards some distance to get back out of combat.

That way you can rez away whilst the melee and ranged are busy keeping the creeps back.

Choosing the time to run back and get out of combat is more tricky though given you could be putting yourself too far to chuck a heal.

This is more difficult when attacking a keep or in the open field because a pesky BA can stick an arrow in you and put you back in combat. I would be interested to discuss some tactics about the best way of keeping one minstrel out of combat so they can rez non stop.

Have them stand in the middle of tar surrounded by hunter traps maybe Razz

Oh and I wouldn't mind hearing some thoughts from fellow minstrels (and champs) as to the use of 'Gift of Hammerhand' for those charging lunatics. Is it worth it or does the power drain effectively gimp the DPS of the champ who has been bubbled?

(edited for numerous spelling errors... it's Friday and I am tired)
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:17 am

The "bubble" thing is worth trying alot more. As for a champ, with second wind and a good icpr it would be good to be used. I rarely, almost never see this in ettens. Why not use the skills we have on freep side. I guess you can "bubble" at any point of the battle no. Meaning that if a canmp or guardian or whom ever is heavy under attack. The bubble can save time for full healing. Damn this we should use ALL the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:23 am

Erlo wrote:
Damn this we should use ALL the time.

If you're referring to the Lay of the Hammerhand which is the minstrel self bubble, it is on a 10 minutes CD, as for the Gift of the Hammerhand, which is the weaker version that can be placed on someone else : it is on a 15 minutes CD.

Also : "Stuns and Knockdowns will interrupt the lay", so using at any point : not really...

For a very nice guide on minstrel in the Ettenmoors, the one in the lotro lorebook is very nice. The chapter I just linked is from the whole guide to minstrelling here.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:28 am

Erlo wrote:
The "bubble" thing is worth trying alot more. As for a champ, with second wind and a good icpr it would be good to be used. I rarely, almost never see this in ettens. Why not use the skills we have on freep side. I guess you can "bubble" at any point of the battle no. Meaning that if a canmp or guardian or whom ever is heavy under attack. The bubble can save time for full healing. Damn this we should use ALL the time.
I use "bubble" very often in the Ettens. It's life saver. When bubble is on I have more than 10,000 "morale to spend" thus I'm much harder to kill.
Second very useful skill is "Still as Dead" (or something like that). I never saw other minstrels using it, but it is great! You are just lying on the ground waiting for help and creeps can do nothing to you.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:05 am

I meant the bubble that can be placed on another member of the fellowship.

And as for 'Feign Death', in my experience I am playing dead under a warg pack who are all slobbering over me and the minute I get up they tear a strip from my ample hobbit ass Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:55 pm

Hey hey,

My views on our great class!!

I agree with everything you said Lanth. Bolster Courage and Inspire Fellows are easily the most important heals but i tend not to use Inspire Fellows much as the power cost is really quite a lot, 3 times that of Bolster Courage. Normally I just stand in the middle of the group and spam Bolster Courage on the rat or whatever minstrel the wargs are targeting.

I also use "Call to Greatness" and "Call to the Fellowship", the affects they have vary a lot depending on the class but can have a massive affect that some minstrels probably don't even know. I'll list them below:

Burglars: +15% damage to positional attack skills. Surprise Strike is recovered every 5 seconds.

Captains: Grants a defeat event. Grants the Battle-readied state every 5 seconds.

Lore-masters: 3% chance for enemies to resist Blinding Flash. Recovers Blinding Flash every 5 seconds.

Minstrels: +10% to healing done. Recovers Chord of Salvation every 5 seconds.

Guardians: +25% threat generation. Grants the Guardian's Ward effect every 5 seconds.

Champions: Grants a defeat event and 2 Fervor. Grants 1 Fervour every 5 seconds.

Hunters: 10% threat generation and grants 3 Focus. Grants 2 Focus every 5 seconds

As you can see it allows the Tanks to use Guardians Ward more often, which is extremely important if they are SW'ing a minstrel as it mitigates damage more affectively. Also it allows Lm's to stun more often and can potentially increase the dps output of the damage classes. Also allows us all to heal a little more if it is put on us and with only a 5min cooldown it can be very good. Thought Id put this move in as not too many people know much about it Smile

I do use "Gift of the Hammerhand" (bubble), this with the full rift set absorbs all damage taken and transfers it into power dmg, this cna be amazing for a champ as their ICPR can be very high in certain stances i think.
Also if i hear there is a warg pack around i keep "Lay of the Hammerhand" on, it deters them from attacking and more often than not saves my life Smile

Ressing, sometimes i sneakily try and get out of combat at the back and res as many people as possible but the reavers normally spot me Sad . Like Lanth, I do save "Rally" for minstrels only though, we are far more important and without us everyone dies.

Regarding "War Speech", i always put it on if we have just taken a keep, it practically gives a guaranteed stun with "Piercing Cry" and can be very useful in stopping the creeps run off.
I also use it if we are trying to ninja Lug or TR back, the AOE from "Call of Orome" and "Call of the Second Age" is sooo good when clearing the npcs quickly!
Other than these situations, i never use it as the healing is far more important!

Regarding Ballads and Anthems.......I love "Ballad of War", it gives +10% Melee Damage for 10seconds and can be cast twice in a row, this is ecpecially good if you have champs and burgs in your group. Also like "Anthem of the Valar", does very nice AOE light damage and "Anthem of the Free peoples" give very very nice ICMR which can be very useful if we are outnumbered or under siege. I don't think the Tier 1 or Tier 2 Ballads play much of a role in Ettens but perhaps I am mistaken.

Anyway here is just my view, I like this discussion, can help us all work better to become better players.
If i had one wish it wud be that "Triumphant Spirit" had no cooldown, would make the job wud be so easy Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:51 am

Warspeech, I like to have it on at the start of any fight, as soon as I see a member of the raid taking damage I switch it off. I will use it as a defensive measure becaue the stun on Piercing Cry is increased.

Fellowship Heart, I will slot this when I go to the mores, very handy - I like to use it when I've been spotted and I'm under preasure. If I can get it off it gives me 30sec of healing and 30secs to shake off any unwanted attention.

Piercing Cry, will use this when I can, when you stun a foe it is very handy skill.

Noble Cause, yes I won't be afraid to get into the think of the fight. I will use Noble cause dive into the fight use Heralds Stike three times and back out again.

Important I think is to watch the fight and move according, don't just sit back and watch - if you are not healing get stuck in, if you see someone needs help pull out of the fight and heal.

Never stand to far back from the raid healing, you will be prime meat for wargs, stick to the centre of the raid as much as possible if you get in to trouble then help is close at hand.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:27 am

Reaver AoE and pouncing wargs
Where should a minstrel be in battle? In my opinion the answer is not just "on the leader" because everyone should follow even the squishy ones. I think balling up is a great tactic when fighting wargs since their endurance is rather limited and the champions AoE can really hurt them. However when reavers are charging I tend to hang a little back, since there occasional AoE outbursts are frequent enough to interrupt the inductions several times.

Help they found me!
If I find myself under heavy attack, even on the very tactical position I have chosen, I look at my guardian and captain and hope they will get a shieldwall/last stand/shield of the dunadain off. Most of the times you cannot count on this however, because the most holy bond between a guardian and a minstrel is not easely forged and requires trust from both sides. If no help comes from other classes, I start to kite around. Note there is a difference between kiting and running away.

Pounce the lay of the hammerhand
Since I read our brother Allencas wards off the wargs with his personal bubble, I want to stress the importance of ANTISTUN. If a warg pounces you the bubble will be gone, and you are pretty much at the mercy of the creeps, sitting there stunned with no bubble. I think everyone knows the solution. Keep the antistun going loremasters, something that is in my opinion not done enough. If one of your fellows or all of you are without talk to eachother and make sure they are giving it to you. Creepraids often rely on this wargís pounce to take targets out so Itís always important but even more to protect your bubble. If they pouce your guardian the shieldwall is gone as well.

Looking out for brothers and sisters
The last line of defence is always us! You my brothers and sisters minstrels are standing at the end of the morale pipe watching over your groups and your fellow minstrels. If we get in combat the first thing I do is lay my eye upon the minstrels and if there is an indication of a coming attack (slowing wounds, stuns) I already get my healing going in hope to keep you alive those first seconds of the battle.

Playing Death
A real lifesaver in my opinion. If things get out of hand you just drop down for a few seconds and most of the time the creeps will have chosen another target when you get up. I think itís wise to notify your fellows when youíre getting up in case you have low morale and also of the fact that you are feigning death, so they are not wasting heals that will never get to you.

The Gift of the Hammerhand
I try to use it as much as I can but I often find the person i was trying to protect dead and the gift on cooldown. There seems to be a small induction window. I guess most of you know what Iím talking about. Also the 1damage to health is converted in 1,5 power, nice to have but not very reliable in the longterm. If the battle has been going for a while most of our friends are already though their power and an ordinary heal will be much more effective than the bubble. So nice idea but not that usefull in my opinion i will of course always use it in emergency situations first gift of the hammerhand then the instant heal like was discribed so well in the patch notes some time ago.

Ettinmoors dilemma: do you equip for icpr or morale/power?
I donít really know what do do with this, so I switch occasionally. Maybe this is a bit of a luxury problem of having too much gear. If you get stuck in many long battles and have power problems itís best to go with the icpr/fate build I think, and otherwise the morale/power is the way to go. Iím very interested in general in what you are wearing and why.

Heroes of the moors
Since minstels are so loved, they are often (not always) the first ones to be picked upon by the enemy hordes. The ultimate sacrifice of a minstrel is to die for his/her fellows. Were it that they would sometimes return the favour? I want to thank every guardian hero that died when holding his shield in front of me, every champion that didnít break the lines and held his position even when getting low on morale, and of course all the other classes that kept me alive with antistuns,shields of the dunadain and last stands. My message to the people who are not heroes yet in my eyes: "Donít let us die alone!"

Your little sister,

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PostSubject: STAY WITH THE FUCKING RAID   Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:38 am

Going to be harsh in this post because minstrels are the most essential class.

Yesterday, in one raid we only had TWO minstrels and we lost one because the ****** stood away from the raid, on the stairs and was wiped in seconds by creeps attacking. Bye bye healing and rezzes.

STAY WITH THE RAID.

If someone chases to far, you stay with the raid.

If someone dies, you stay with the raid.

If someone needs healing, you stay with the raid.

If you are rezzing, you stay with the raid.

STAY WITH THE RAID.

Ideally, others in the raid should pay attention to what the minstrel needs to do, I seen some do it, as a LM I announced I was going to rez someone and a few followed me in what looked suspiciously look like an escort. That is the way things should be, minstrels do NOT move unless protected and when minstrels are moving, others protect them.

We need every bit of healing we can get and creeps know that minstrels are very easy targets to get down. We need to keep them alive, in the center of the raid where they are slightly harder to target and not running off all over the place. Anti-stun as often as possible (another reason LM'ers should not do anything else) and hunters, use you damn poison cure one in a while as it really hurts freeps especially one who need all the agility and such they can get and can't afford the morale drain of any debuffs.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:37 pm

I'm new to minstrel,but the fire ballad that gives +10 fire resist or something like that,is good because rnk4 or 5,forget which reavers do fire damage.So you are boosting mitigation for the fellowship with that.I use the ballad of war,then the fire ballad and just enough time to get ballad of war off again,then into an anthem if needed.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:44 am

In reply to enat yes stay with the raid but sometimes that is hard to do, yesterday for example i was staying up with leader and rat but they move so quickly that i found myself alone every time i stopped to heal. At this point i thought me running around being useless is stupid. I called out in voice to get tar around me i was in the middle of where our rat was running and i called all "squishys" to me as i was the only minstrel marked. we were all in one place with a couple of champs/guardians to protect us and this seems to work far better. All the minstrels had their antistun on and we felt protected and could heal. I thought this was really good what do you guys think?

Also I have started to use gift of the hammerhead when the nutty champs charge. It only lasts 10 secs but when rat is charging to pull then it is really helpfull. we had a lore master in my group to he antistunned and i did gift of hammerhand and this seemed to work quite well.


As for tiered ballads on teir 1 and 2 there are ballads that deal alittle damage and boost minstrels hit chances i will always play those first to open up the goodies on tier 3 and 4. tier 3 usually the green sword (sorry i am useless at rememberinbg names) this works on whole fellowship to help their hit chances. and then my aoe anthem goes off if aoe is allowed or the one that again helps hits and damage for all fellowship.

As for different setups for pvp vs pve i am not that good yet Sad i have one setup and i always use it rift gear, i think it looks shit but its the best i have found. by all means inspect me for my traits and such, and i will probaly inspect most minstrels i see as i want to get better.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:50 am

sorry forgot to mention this too, fm's more than likely your lm minstrel is not going to be in range of hitting a yellow or red so yelling out all yellow ect is useless. even on npc;s i will be around the back probably in the middle of a heal when i cant move. so if you get an fm expect a blue or green at then end because that will be us "squishys" who are unable to get into melee in time for anything else.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:59 am

Lot's of good points already raised here, just going to go over a few of the important things (imo). Remember this is all just my opinion and how I play - also everything in the Ettens is very situational and most fights are different, so doing one thing in a fight may result in your death in the next fight. Anyway here's a quick list of important things (again, all imo):

-Positioning This is number 1 for me - I like to mix this up to keep people guessing. If you stand still right at the back you're easy warg meat. However in a pretty static battle, standing between the Hunters and the Melee can work very well, especially if the raid is alert and looking after you. If the fight is ebbing and flowing and the lines are moving about, it's generally best to stay with the RAT - that's going to keep you in range of the melee's so you can heal and also hopefully keep most of the attention away from you as you move about with the group and make yourself a difficult target to pick off. Unless you need to fully spam heal, heal and move is a good tactic, throw a heal out, move with the RAT, heal again and so on...Stops you from becoming an easy target.

-Getting Help I think a lot of Minstrel's expect proetection all the time - which you might say is fair enough, however it's a two way street. We need to make sure we tell the raid where we are and when we're targetted etc, as people tend to be focused on killing the enemy rather than protecting the healer's - I think this is a big thing we need to change, which brings me to the next point..

-Protection OK, this might be controversial but I think as a group we are too focused on RAT. When the fight is going good, and the Creeps are scattering or it's a clear win for the Freeps, then fine, everyone on RAT and kill the creeps. However, there have been a few fights recently where myself or another Minstrel is getting pounded and everyone is sticking with the RAT to get the kill - I'd shout out that I'm stunned and getting ganked but everyone would just stick to RAT - personally I think protecting the healers should come ahead of RAT - We should always be marked and people should be keeping an eye on where we are and who is around us. What do other people think about that? I think group awareness is a big area for improvement. As important as RAT is, we shouldn't be so singularly focused on it all the time.

-Playing your role Obviously we're a healer first and foremost, I don't really bother with WS personally unless I'm running in a small group. Keep people alive, save your combat rez for other mini's or at least cap's/RAT. I pretty much just focus on healing really as I feel that's my best contribution to to the group. (I think some other classes need to realise what their best contribution to the group is - Guardians in OP are not giving their best to the group imo)

And just a note on play dead, when used at the right time it's awesome - It will either get the Creep's off you for the duration and then you can pop up and get heals OR they will wait by you to kill you when the timer runs out, which is also fine in my book as it takes those creeps out of the fight for a good while and helps the raid a lot.

Overall I think we all (not just Minstrels) need to play in a much less selfish way - everything we do should be for the good of the raid and not our own individual good. If I die but we win the fight then I'm happy. That's the attitude we all need to take in my opinion Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:17 am

Keplin wrote:
If I die but we win the fight then I'm happy. That's the attitude we all need to take in my opinion Very Happy

This is the most important thing that has EVER been said on this forum!

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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:04 am

There's a big group heal (Forget it's name Embarassed ) that I have never really used in PvE because it pulls aggro from everywhere and kills me, basically.
How would that work in the Ettens?
I can't see how creep players would be affected in the same way, so is it safer to use on the moors to save healing people individually, or will it still pull all the NPC's from miles around (eg if we're in a keep or a camp?).
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:52 am

It's fine to use if you want - but it has other issues in the moors: power cost, casting time and small heal amount

You'll find most of the time you are healing someone because they are getting smacked around by a load of creeps, in which case you'll be spamming BC on them just to keep them alive.

It has it's places - if most of the group is down just 500-1k morale and you've plenty of power and no-one is in desperate need or getting the shit smacked out of them , then go ahead and use it to keep things ticking over but it's not really a great pvp skill either tbh.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:11 am

Patchouna wrote:
About war-speech : DO start a fight in war-speech so you're able to use your instant damaging 3-targets AOEs and then you can drop it when you need to heal. Dropping it is instant and can be performed during the induction time of a heal : cast the heal then deactivate war-speech before the heal land, you will reactivate war-speech when in between two encounters.

So, if you've had WS on, start a heal, then switch off WS, will that heal still be at 50% because you started it with WS on, or will you get a full 100% heal from it because you switched WS off during it's' induction?
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:37 pm

from my experiance if you have ws on when you start your heal will be at 50%.
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:15 am

Shiona wrote:
Patchouna wrote:
About war-speech : DO start a fight in war-speech so you're able to use your instant damaging 3-targets AOEs and then you can drop it when you need to heal. Dropping it is instant and can be performed during the induction time of a heal : cast the heal then deactivate war-speech before the heal land, you will reactivate war-speech when in between two encounters.

So, if you've had WS on, start a heal, then switch off WS, will that heal still be at 50% because you started it with WS on, or will you get a full 100% heal from it because you switched WS off during it's' induction?

Well 100% otherwise my explanation above wouldn't make sense Smile !

Lanthiriel wrote:
from my experiance if you have ws on when you start your heal will be at 50%.

Maybe it used to not work like this in previous books, but you sure should give it a try Wink !
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:46 am

A minstrel in the Ettens(Tales of a fat dwarf)

As some people on our servers asked me to tell my tactics,
Here we go,

Start up:
I always make sure I have:
20 fear pots (anti silence)
20 decease pots (Anti vitality buff)
20 poison pots (anti spider poisons)
20 wound pots (anti warg/black arrow)

What are the Buffs I use in the ettens?

Buffs:

I always make sure that when it is off cool down my group is buffed with Anthem of the free people(with gives a big + in in combat Morale regen)
This really makes a difference in the fights and makes it possible to relax a bit more in healing,

I prefer to have all champions in my team, Why? Us minstrels have a buff that gives +10% Melee damage and that is one of the other things that really is good on the Champs
I always make sure that my fellows have this buff as well,(a lot of minstrels donít use this one)

So with these 2 basic buffs in mind I start to think about my positioning,

Positions:

What is a good position for a minstrel?
Keep in mind that a minstrel is mainly the primary target of the enemy,
Barrels in keeps/Trees/Rocks/Corners are your best friends always make sure you stand out of sight of the black arrows/war leaders,
Your heals cant go around corners so if some one is getting to much hits tell them to stay in line of sight or ask them to move a bit back(Communication is the key)
Always ask the Lore master in the group for permanent anti-stun, this is important as you are prime target to the wargs,

Under attack what now???:
As we all know our class is most beloved by creeps and we are main target,
What I do:
I never scream that I am under attack, why not?? If you are under attack all freeps are under attack, this means or the group is charging or we are all attacking RAT,
As I am mostly in the back I cannot expect the entire raid to turn around and kill the poor warg who is attacking me, what I do I make sure I get out of the stun and I run though our raid,
What I do then is ask one of the champions(Communication is the key) to blow a horn near me so all wargs are off,
Very important: My dwarf feet aint standing still at that point, as soon as I am wargie free I will stand and do my job,
What I noticed in the ettens lately is that minstrels are complaining as soon as they have 2 wargs on them, make sure you have a champ near you who can protect you  that is the key,

Ahh no damn the entire creep raid is charging what now???
At this point I wish myself all the best luck in the game 
What I usually do is get around a corner or behind a tree and run through the entire raid(freep raid) tell the leader I have all the agro,
Then check my HP bar if it is dropping really fast I use my massive heal(if it is not on cd) then I use my endurance of stone(hell yeah I am a dwarf)
If then still my fellow minstrels have problems with healing I faith death and stay on the ground until the creeps are gone,
I really like this when a entire raid is following me around in the freep raid

My opinion about the shield wall of a Guardian on a minstel: Useless,(in ettens)
Sorry my fellow guardian!!! Why is this useless is my opinion? You have to stand still for this, witch is really really bad!, they just nuke you through the shieldwallÖ
Guardian death and Minstrel death, in my opinion the guardian can better protect the lore master in stead of the minstrel, other minstrels should be able to keep the targeted minstrel alive,
We got our skills!!!! 

Talking about skills,
What skill does fat Pinti uses:

Song of the hopefull heart,
Always near a keep I lay down a hope full heart, just to make sure we have no hope problems

Gift of the hammerhand
I try to use it much as possible on new targets of the creeps when I see that they change targets, why I do that? Most minstrels donít look at the targets of the creeps, as I need to sing a tier 3 ballad song I have to make 1 attack what I do is I try to select the rat of the enemy,
As soon as I see they change target, I am selecting their target and make sure he gets the gift, this really works great,

Rally
I try to save this one for my fellow minstrels,

Ressing:
I always try to keep as much of the people up as possible, again here positioning is very important, make sure you are out of sight of the black arrows so they cannot interrupt you, most annoying is that you have to be out of combat for this, very important part here is that the annoying NPCís have to be gone(NPC means in combat) again here Communication is the key, tell one of the champs to change to the NPC i.s.o the RAT (And no the leader will not be mad at you if you suggest this)
Also make sure that not every minstrel is on ressing duty as the raid wont get heals anymore, but you can sort this out with your fellow minstrels,

Fear:
This is one of the skills that I Love in the ettens!!!!!!
What does it do??
It removes the entire skill bar of the enemy ;-) witch mean no arrows from the black arrows and no heals from the warleaders,
I must admit I usually use this skill when we are attacking and not in defending mode as I am busy healing at this point,

Warspeech:
I really love war speech, expecially when in war speech our piercing cry,
It stuns instantly,
As soon as we are under attack I switch it off,

Why does pinti not like hunter who use DF?
Off course this is a skill from you,
As soon as our people are under attack they are under attack aswell and guess what?? Then I heal the hunters aswell, then suddently in the middle of a heal you use DF, the creeps switch to a new target while I am still broadcasting heals to a person who is miles away  with the creeps killing a freep who is not getting heals,
Sorry but that is totally un expectable in my opinion 
But hey who is me?

Hope this helps a bit
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PostSubject: Re: Minstrel - class guide in moors   Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:08 pm

Pinti wrote:
A minstrel in the Ettens(Tales of a fat dwarf)



Fear:
This is one of the skills that I Love in the ettens!!!!!!
What does it do??
It removes the entire skill bar of the enemy ;-) witch mean no arrows from the black arrows and no heals from the warleaders,
I must admit I usually use this skill when we are attacking and not in defending mode as I am busy healing at this point,



Do you know the name of this one?
I may have overlooked it and it sounds good.
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